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Gabe, really nice assessment of where things are at now, and it all makes sense to me. I’m just going to push back at something you seem to be suggesting, if not saying outright, when you write:

"Still, a good deal of the #ListGate discourse has amounted to a series of skirmishes over competing taste…”

You end the first paragraph concluding:

"Mehldau’s retort — and a host of others that griped about the ignorance of today’s pop music mandarins — missed, in my view, the central problem facing our impoverished critical landscape.”

If I look at the title of your piece, “what we talk about when we talk about pop music criticism”, it seems like part of the thrust of your piece is to let us know what’s best to talk about, and what’s better left unsaid?

Fair enough. Here’s my pushback: It seems to me that you are bracketing “competing taste” skirmishes, separating them from what you see as the larger problem of the “impoverished critical landscape”. For me the two subjects are really one. Now, if I’m to understand you - perhaps I’m wrong - competing taste is, if not, a non-starter in a critical conversation, then doomed to never-ending dead-end stalemates. So when I gripe about Taylor Swift being teenybopper music, I’m wasting my time. I am, as you write later, one of those who is expending "a great deal of emotional energy being pissed off at Taylor Swift and the people who love her.” My time could be better served using my musical platform, as you put it, “to lift up music I care about,” as you describe your role.

I’m totally behind that, but I don’t think it obviates reckoning with Taylor Swift in aesthetic terms, and weighing in on that. By my lights, my competing tastes, and everyone else’s, are emphatically not independent from the phenomenon that you highlight so well, when you describe "a gaping hole in the ecology of the arts”, or "the loss of a critical landscape in which you could open up the paper each morning and read six reviews of weird shows on the Lower East Side”. Taste and criticism are linked. This is why I and others push back on Caramanica and the others. They are tastemakers. No? Well, it’s their gig at least. I'm going to hold them to it, and I'm going to bear witness if they fail, in my eyes.

What I mean is this: I still take the role of criticism, in itself, seriously. (And I know you do Gabe; I'm not saying you don't!) However subjective my feelings on what is great music, if I am in the role of critic, I am asserting that my taste is right. There is no way of avoiding this. I will do so in terms of assessing the music as an artwork: whether that’s Taylor Swift, Billy Joel, or anyone else. That will mean weighing in on features that are normatively associated with musical artworks: melody, harmony, rhythm, timbre, orchestration, lyrics. When Caramanica and his colleagues at the NYTimes write anything substantive, it’s about the lyrics. As Beato pointed out, none of them have a musical degree, most of them have a BA in English.

Taste matters, in any case, and it is a given that when I assert the “rightness" of my taste, I’m gatekeeping, for sure. But…so is everyone else. You covered the phenomenon of gatekeeping and the way poptimism responded to that. But we don’t want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. We still want to compete for taste, no? We acknowledge that it’s a never-ending discussion, we make all the caveats., we check all the postmodern "everything is relative" boxes. But any strong critic, in the act of lifting up the music they care about, as you put it, also tacitly implies that other music lacks those things they care about.

The reason why taste matters is because art matters. The reasons why art matters are many, but in this discussion I would assert: Art matters when it offers a critique of the status quo, when it pulls us out of our easy assumptions, when it provokes a new way of seeing the world. Coming back to my subjective view: Billy Joel has done that for me. Taylor Swift has not. I can also unpack that in musical terms. Maybe I should have done that more. And maybe I should have avoided the “teenybopper” term in my piece. I made her a straw-person in my gripe with Caramanica, which is that his whole demeanor is so infantile. I know that her music has touched a lot of people. I fucked that one up. I wrote the piece after a couple drinks late at night, although that's no excuse!

Debra Sostrin's avatar

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes! (I'm with Andrea.) Thank you, Gabriel, for once again consolidating my own random reflections into structured, articulate, sparkling prose. I had seen the NYT list and Mehldau's response, and while I have to admit I took a certain pleasure in reading the Mehldau piece, it left me troubled. And now I know why.

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